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He is my Great x5 great grandfather. I have some other information if you are interested.
I have a lovely illustrated book called “Our Nellie, or found in the factory” by A M. Hone. It has been awarded to Flosie Housdale or Lonsdale ??? By the teachers of Albany Street Primitive Methodist Sunday school , For attendance and good conduct Jan 1900
Can you give me any more information on the book, author or the recipient?
This is not a photograph of the Primitive Methodist Chapel Katherine Street, Ashton under Lyne. That building is still standing on the corner of Bentnick Street but was closed over 50 years ago and is now a wholesalers.
Further to my comment posted a short while ago, I have now checked the 1851 Religious Census records which shows that the P.M. chapel was built in 1833. I have amended my website with the new details.
I have just revised and updated the information on my website “Shropshire’s Nonconformist chapels” for the TWO Methodist chapels in Babbinswood. I believe the one in the photographs is in fact the Wesleyan Methodist chapel rather than the Primitive Methodist one. The Primitive Methodist one was a stone’s throw north of the Wesleyan one as the old O.S. maps clearly show.
Leary provides the following circuit placements for Thomas Holiday.
1821 Barnsley 1823 Bradwell 1824 Huddersfield 1825 Bolton 1826 Manchester 1828 Bradford 1829 York 1831 Hull 1841 Leeds 1843 Treasurer of Mission Committee 1844 Book Steward 1854 London l 1855 London lll 1857 London lll (S) He died on 22 March 1858.
It seems Claudee is the English pronunciation of Clawdd-du on the west bank of the River Monmow
Actually the Chapel is private residence. Chapel Cottage is the small cottage attached at the back (visible on the photograph). It was a holiday cottage until about 3 years ago when I moved in. Both properties are owned and converted by my parents beginning in 1979.
Shropshire Archives contains some records of this chapel including the closure and sale papers of c. 1984. Their reference number is: XNMB87/M/1. I have looked at the 25 inch O.S. maps of Hope’s Gate (about 4-5 miles SW of Minsterley) for 1882 & 1901 but could not find the chapel marked.
The Minister here from September 1917 to August 1919 was Frederick J Pennock. Technically he was a Lay Agent but local reports often refer to him as the Rev F J Pennock. One of his daughters (Grace Old), who later became an enthusiastic member of the Salvation Army, wrote and published privately an Autobiography called Amazing Grace. She describes her time in Monmouth aged about 11 years old. After Monmouth her father moved to Narberth and the Pembroke Dock Circuit. A full biography is in the Lay Preachers section of this site.
‘We moved on to the town of Monmouth. Here we lived at first on the outskirts of the town, as the manse was still in the process of being done up. Claudee was the name of the place and the elementary school was quite near……opposite the Manse (there were) two large four story buildings (which) housed some soldiers. My father worked hard on this circuit; there were about five places he had to go to by bicycle…The gas meter was kept underneath the chapel (for there were two long tunnels underneath the chapel) and we would be at worship in the evening service when suddenly all the light would go out and we sat in darkness until my father would go and turn it on again. My parent built up quite a good Sunday school but they were mostly children from the poorer classes
Again now up for sale (view pictures via Rightmove, etc.).
We visited Kerry’s Florist in October 2018 – thanks to those we met for the additional information included in this page. We were told that although the building has been subdivided, it still retains its main spiral staircase and a recess that once contained the organ. We were also told that they believed there was a cellar but no-one could find a way into it.
Howard Richter gives additional information about the Handsworth picture: “The building was a Mission Room put up in about 1900. It was, I strongly suspect, the forerunner of St. Andrew’s Church (CofE), round the corner on Oxhill Road. The Room, is now part of a Sports and Community Centre for St. Andrew’s http://www.standrews-handsworth.org.uk/Sports/index.html
On historic Ordnance Survey maps, neither building is shown in 1890. The Room is present in 1904, but St. Andrew’s is not yet built. The Room and St. Andrew’s are both present in 1917 http://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/404580/290680/12/101153
St. Andrew’s is Listed Grade I: according to the listing it was put up in 1907-9). We can’t yet be absolutely certain that the Room was CofE from the very beginning, but I would be very surprised were that not so.”
Please do question what is written Jean! The 1922 date comes from the GenUKI website at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Hollinwood/BourneStPrimitiveMethodist (I should have listed that source on the page). GenUKI also contains a picture. Is that the chapel as you remember it or is the picture an earlier one?
Thanks for the final clarification Janet. I’ve amended the page entry and title and added a map to show the location.
The mission church was not the Primitive Methodist chapel in Stone’s Green. The mission was further east along Stone’s Green road where there are now two new bungalows. I have found on old maps that the PM chapel was where Chapel Cottage is now, at CO12 5BT https://goo.gl/maps/hegk5CFRnGn It shows on old maps as a PM church, later simply Methodist, at least until the 1979 map. Perhaps Chapel Cottage is the original red brick building as to me it doesn’t look as if it was built after 1979. Maps show that the chapel could have been on a slightly different alignment, but the difference is so slight as to be open to debate.
Could I question the closing date of Bourne Street Chapel which is documented here as 1922. As I recall it closed as a place of worship approx 1972. I was married there in 1965 . I continued to attend there until it closed.
Jean Riley
Thanks for the correction Jane. Could you possibly send us a picture of the Prim chapel to enquiries@myprimitivemethodists.org.uk?
This photo would seem to be of the former Wesleyan Methodist church on Town Street, rather than the Primitive Methodist which was on New Road. The building is still there and is now residential. A plaque on the front of the New Road building confirms its PM history. Confirmation can also be found on the old-maps website. https://goo.gl/maps/fWgaoHm8vTE2
Thanks for your update Peter. A photo would be most welcome: please send it to info@myprimitivemethodists.org.uk. It would also be interesting to know the names of those who signed the Deed of Indenture. Wonder if any of the names still exist in families in the village?
After the Chapel closed in 1933, it was used as a agricultural grain sack store for many years and became almost derelict until eventually being converted to a private house. The previous occupants after the conversion was firstly a Mr & Mrs Coppins, (interred at St Ediths Church Grimoldby) recently Mr & Mrs Smith resided here, and since April 2018 Revd Oddy-Bates and Mr Bates have taken ownership of the property and have taken residence. On the hall wall within the house is the glazed and framed original completed Deed of Indenture, signed and witnessed and date stamped 8-12-52. Recent photograph of the property is available upon request.
A postcard of the ‘Old PM Chapel’ in Weybourne has been added to this page. In 1854 it is recorded that the Primitive Methodists had a church, probably a converted cottage, in Chapel Yard, just off the street. Is this it? Was it demolished when the ‘New Chapel’ was built in 1904?
Would it possible for me to add a second page under Yorkshire, i have a full history of the chapel & a large number of photos, circuit plans etc covering the dales & the eden valley, as my family were PM members from the beginning, but l’m not happy to add my information under Cumberland, sorry its a Yorkshire thing.!
Fletcher Chapel was a new build, the chapel built in 1865 still stands , the Masonic Hall & is at the other end of town near Silver Street.
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