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And he was my great grandfather, too! Anna Rebecca Rudd (nee Peel).
I’ve added a picture of the church from an undated postcard provided by Randle Knight
Gaynor, Thanks for finding that information. Unfortunately I can’t find Charles in later census returns. There was a Charles James Jackson baptised at Croxton, Norfolk on 4 April 1830; parents James, who worked the land, and Susan/Susannah. He is not identified after the 1841 census.
Charles Joseph Jackson appears in the 1851 census for Ramsey (Huntingdon) as visiting the family of George Ringrose (tailor) living in Newtown, where the Primitive Methodist Chapel was. He was 21, born at ?Broxton? in Norfolk.
(Archivist, Ramsey Rural Museum)
They were my great great grandparents.
Pauline Rudd nee Goldsmith / Professor of Glycobiology Stanley Goldsmith/ architect and surveyor Ethel Mary Goldsmith nee White/ran guest house, Bournemouth George White (1) =Elizabeth Penny/ George and Ellen White
George (1) was the butcher Does anyone have more information?
I’ve added the Return from Earsdon Primitive Methodist chapel in the 1851 Census of Places of Public Religious Worship. Interestingly it gives the date of the chapel as 1834 rather than 1825.
Interestingly, the return for Hartley in the Earsdon District but a little way east gives an opening date for the chapel there as 1825. Is there confusion here, or only mine?
I have added a more detailed account of the chapel relocation, provided by Norma Virgoe, as an attachment to this page .
There is a report on the opening of the Chapel on Granby Street, Newmarket in the Bury and Norwich Post of Tuesday 14 May 1867; the storm it mentions was particularly violent (I can send you the transcript of that too if you like!): “PRIMITIVE METHODISTS CONNEXION. —OPENING OF THE NEW CHAPEL. —The opening of the new chapel, erected in Granby-street, took place on Friday last. Service was held in the afternoon, but owing, no doubt, to the heavy tempest that was raging over the surrounding towns and villages, the attendance of the public was not so numerous as was expected. There were, however, many leading members of this and other dissenting denominations present, all of whom seemed to take a deep interest in the proceedings. An eloquent and appropriate sermon was preached by the Rev. T. Penrose, of London, after which a collection in aid of the building fund was made. In the evening the public tea meeting was held in the Congregational School-room, kindly lent for the purpose, and about 200 persons sat down to the repast, the proceedings arising from which were added to the building fund. The company afterwards again repaired to the newly-opened chapel, where a public meeting was held in the evening. The building was well filled, and upon the enclosed platform, which will serve as a pulpit, were the Revds. T. Penrose, T. J. Kightley, of Wickhambrook, J. Rackham, of saffron Walden, T. Fitton, R. Durrant, and J. Smith of Newmarket, and T. Ball, of Burwell. —Mr. Ball, having been voted to the chair, made some remarks upon the necessity for such a building, and congratulated the members of the society on its completion; and the meeting was next addressed by Mr. Hynett, of Newmarket, who in allusion to the cost of the erection said that money was yet wanted to pay off the debt, and he trusted that all would endeavour to assist. —The Revd. T. J. Kightley read the report of the treasurer, Mr. Petts, which shewed that the erection of the building cost 700l., towards which there was a sum of 162l. 14s. 1d. previously collected, 77l. arising form sale of land, 7l. from the afternoon collection, and the proceeds of tea, which other contributions he thought made up a cheering prospect. —The Rev. J. Smith, of Newmarket congratulated the friends of the Primitive Methodists upon having erected a house of prayer and worship in the very midst of families who, many of them, never entered either church or chapel. —The Rev. T. Penrose, in addressing the meeting, alluded to the origin of the denomination, and said that in May, 1807, the first prayer-meeting of the Society was held; and in 1810 the first class-meeting took place. At the present time there were no less than 14,252 preachers in the Primitive Methodist Church, being nearly as many as there were in the Established Church of England; there were 6094 places of worship, and no less than 700,000 members belonging thereto; and the Society had succeeded in erecting2835 Sabbath Schools, in which there were 40,203 teachers of all classes, and 227,476 children receiving instruction at their hands. Their numbers were fast increasing, and he thought none could say that God had not done great things already for the Primitive Methodists of England. He then alluded to the want of spiritual accommodation in London compared to the country; there being in the metropolis accommodation for only about 30 or 33 per cent. while In the country they accommodated from 55 to 65 per cent. In London 700 additional places of worship were required for a reasonable accommodation of the inhabitants. —The meeting was also addressed by the Rev. Mr. Fitton and Mr. Durrant, and after a vote of thanks to the Chairman, and a collection, the proceedings terminated with prayer.”
Herbert Hedges was my great-uncle and I am currently researching my family history. Any further information relating to him or his family would be much appreciated.
I met a few years ago in Kafue Zambia Joshua Price, the son of Rev. Leonard William Syaapela Price, one of the two adopted children of John and Florence Price.
My comment to Ian Matthews (08/07/2017) Hi Ian Matthews Finally I found in the book Africa Calling of John W. Gerrard on page 169 that the picture you referred to shows the grave of Kathleen Delaney. Johannes van der Weijden PS I just published the book: ¨Journeys in the Land of the Ila Speaking People¨ which contains this picture.
My great Aunt Annie lived in Maltby St and my grandparents took me to visit as a child. I would say it was demolished around 1966/7 and my great aunt was sent to live in a flat at Bierley which seemed like the back end of nowhere
Thanks for the info Liz. 1847 is the date Thomas Merchant gave in his response to the 1851 Census of Places of Public Religious Worship.
The 1857 date on your mother’s home is probably for a later chapel. Because Primitive Methodist membership was increasing they often needed bigger chapels. They might make the current chapel bigger, rebuild from scratch on the same site, or move to a new site. At East Knoyle they had regular congregations of 80 people; I wonder what happened?
It would be good to have a photograph of the 1857 chapel by email to info@myprimitivemethodists.org.uk
Afternoon, interested to know where you got the build date of 1847 from? As on the outside chapel plaque , it says 1857. My mother currently lives in the chapel , and is always looking for history on it.
Amanda, Thanks for your interest in John Andrew Hobson. We are happy for people to use material on our site for ‘not for profit’ situations provided the source is suitably acknowledged.
Hi there,
I am a volunteer contributor to Find a Grave. I was looking for headstones in Uttoxeter road Cemetery when I came across John Andrew Hobson and his wife’s headstone. My maiden name was Hobson, which sparked an interest. There is no connection I can see that relates us, but I have put his grave on find a grave. I then stumbled across your web page. I was wondering if I could cite your webpage and the photograph of John on my memorial entry. Such an interesting life.
This is a good example of a common problem. There is clear evidence that Moorhouse chapel existed: as well as the account in the Magazine, it appears on the Circuit plans for the Wellow Branch of the Mansfield Circuit. There is clear evidence from the OS map that there was a PM chapel in this settlement. Beyond that, there is no official evidence: the chapel does not appear in the Registrar General’s list of places of worship or in any indexed administrative records. What might be worth looking at is that Moorhouse is a hamlet within the parish of Laxton. There was a group of Ranters meeting in Laxton in 1829, and the account of Laxton on the “Vision of Britain” website mentions a primitive Methodist chapel in Laxton in 1873: the page on this site about Laxton suggests that the known chapel was not in PM hands at that time, and it is also absent from the Wellow Branch plans from 1856 to 1870 (again on this website). Is there any significance in the fact that it is suggested that Moorhouse went out of use about the same time that the chapel in Laxton was acquired?
More about Stratton with the link of a transcription of an article in the Christian Messenger by W.Bramwell Hill.
https://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/content/people-2/family-history/worshippers_by_the_wiltshire_wayside_some_veterans_of_village_methodism
I wonder if you mean John Bitton who was on the plan of the Yarmouth circuit of 1824. He preached at the age of eighty-four, dying in 1886 aged ninety-three years old.
Ref – The Origin and History of the Primitive Methodist Church Vol 2 by HB Kendall
Joseph Proud was a ‘Ranter’ preacher who (through the Holy Spirit) founded this chapel. One of his children, Mary Ann Proud, famously married Benjamin John Sutherland of Newcastle. Sutherland was a grain importer (from the USA and Canada), a coal exporter, a steam ship owner and sometime Sheriff of Newcastle. The contrast between the two could not have been greater. They were married at the Brunswick Wesleyan Chapel in Newcastle. One of their children became Sir Arthur Munro Sutherland known as “The Legend of Newcastle”. Sir Arthur always retained a most positive attitude to the Primitive Methodist trade unions of his day, reflective of his mother’s faith origins.
Thanks for the clarification Philip.
Am I putting two and two together to make five?
This is my grt grt grt grandfather so this is a lovely find
This has never ceased to be a Methodist Church. It is shared with a Presbyterian congregation.
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